I noticed that somebody asked about this.
I haven't planted any boxes, but I've found a lot, and found a lot to be
missing. So I may not have room to talk, but I have room to bitch :)
The missing ones were in STUPID places. (we could also blame whoever
found it last, that perhaps they left it in the open, I've heard of this
happening).
One box was supposed to be under a pile of rocks under a bridge, up
against a wall that was supporting the bridge.
Okay, this wouldn't be so bad if it was just a little itty bitty foot
bridge. But this was a covered bridge, with TONS of partying room
underneath. It looked like it got some graffiti action and someone had
used some rocks to build a fire. The place we guessed where it was was
just against a nice handy dandy wall for leaning up against/sleeping
next to. It was relatively clean, nothing in the way. It looked rather
cozy actually. Having a pile of rocks right against the wall with no
other rocks along that whole wall? Good gourds, man! Its our guess that
whoever built that fire found the box.
Now, a more LOGICAL place to hide the box under that bridge was actually
a little further river side. There was another wall supporting the
bridge, with a TON of big, heavy river rocks piled all around one side
of it and the other side was teaming with blackberry bushes and there
was a small pile of rocks there and a couple others scattered about.
There was a few -very- good places to hide a small box where it wouldn't
have been found by accident.
Now to be fair, maybe that's where it -might- have been hidden
(sometimes clues suck horribly!) and the last placer didn't hide it
well. I can't get too upset at the Planter because I wasn't there.
Just be logical about where you hide your boxes! Don't put them
somewhere that a cleanup/maintenance person can get them by accident.
Don't make anything look out of place. If you go box hunting and you
have found several boxes to be missing, ask yourself WHY are they
missing? Just because its in a high foot-traffic area doesn't mean its
poorly hidden.
And after you've been boxing for a bit, you should be able to get a feel
for where a box is. It -can- mean that it was poorly hidden, but it can
also mean that you're At One with the Box and you're used to the feel of
hidey holes... if that makes sense :)
That's all I can think of off hand. I tend to be too wordy sometimes
and don't actually get around to saying everything I want to because
then it ends up really long like this :-p
If you want to hear about the other boxes we've found to be missing,
just let me know. I'll explain the details behind them as much as I
can, just so you can get an idea. I could also go into details of some
well planted boxes :)
-Xeen
http://www.resirem.com/
http://www.resirem.com/letterboxing (was going to put planting tips here
sometime this week)
in response to planting boxes...
15 messages in this thread |
Started on 2007-09-17
in response to planting boxes...
From: Angela/Xeen (angela@resirem.com) |
Date: 2007-09-17 19:49:21 UTC-07:00
RE: [LbNA] in response to planting boxes...
From: xxxxxxxx (BrighidFarm@comcast.net) |
Date: 2007-09-18 06:06:04 UTC-05:00
I went looking for a box once that was in a park hidden under a pile of logs
that were there from a tree having been cut down. When I got to the park it
was immaculately groomed. Hardly even a "weed" in sight. So it was
absolutely no surprise to me that the box was missing since it wasn't a
surprise to me that whatever employees cut down the tree didn't leave those
logs there for any length of time.
Now a box, however, placed under a pile of logs sitting out in an already
very messy forest preserve would have stood a chance of surviving. But one
look around this park would tell a placer that nope, this ain't gonna be a
good place to plant a box.
That's also something to look for in planting boxes in cemeteries. Some
cemeteries have property that they keep immaculate around the
headstones/tombstones, but they often have some surrounding woods that
appears to have been neglected for the past hundred years or so, making
those woods a much better place to consider for a letterbox than someplace
around the tombstones themselves.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Angela/Xeen
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:49 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] in response to planting boxes...
I noticed that somebody asked about this.
I haven't planted any boxes, but I've found a lot, and found a lot to be
missing. So I may not have room to talk, but I have room to bitch :)
The missing ones were in STUPID places. (we could also blame whoever
found it last, that perhaps they left it in the open, I've heard of this
happening).
One box was supposed to be under a pile of rocks under a bridge, up
against a wall that was supporting the bridge.
Okay, this wouldn't be so bad if it was just a little itty bitty foot
bridge. But this was a covered bridge, with TONS of partying room
underneath. It looked like it got some graffiti action and someone had
used some rocks to build a fire. The place we guessed where it was was
just against a nice handy dandy wall for leaning up against/sleeping
next to. It was relatively clean, nothing in the way. It looked rather
cozy actually. Having a pile of rocks right against the wall with no
other rocks along that whole wall? Good gourds, man! Its our guess that
whoever built that fire found the box.
Now, a more LOGICAL place to hide the box under that bridge was actually
a little further river side. There was another wall supporting the
bridge, with a TON of big, heavy river rocks piled all around one side
of it and the other side was teaming with blackberry bushes and there
was a small pile of rocks there and a couple others scattered about.
There was a few -very- good places to hide a small box where it wouldn't
have been found by accident.
Now to be fair, maybe that's where it -might- have been hidden
(sometimes clues suck horribly!) and the last placer didn't hide it
well. I can't get too upset at the Planter because I wasn't there.
Just be logical about where you hide your boxes! Don't put them
somewhere that a cleanup/maintenance person can get them by accident.
Don't make anything look out of place. If you go box hunting and you
have found several boxes to be missing, ask yourself WHY are they
missing? Just because its in a high foot-traffic area doesn't mean its
poorly hidden.
And after you've been boxing for a bit, you should be able to get a feel
for where a box is. It -can- mean that it was poorly hidden, but it can
also mean that you're At One with the Box and you're used to the feel of
hidey holes... if that makes sense :)
That's all I can think of off hand. I tend to be too wordy sometimes
and don't actually get around to saying everything I want to because
then it ends up really long like this :-p
If you want to hear about the other boxes we've found to be missing,
just let me know. I'll explain the details behind them as much as I
can, just so you can get an idea. I could also go into details of some
well planted boxes :)
-Xeen
http://www.resirem.com/
http://www.resirem.com/letterboxing (was going to put planting tips here
sometime this week)
Yahoo! Groups Links
that were there from a tree having been cut down. When I got to the park it
was immaculately groomed. Hardly even a "weed" in sight. So it was
absolutely no surprise to me that the box was missing since it wasn't a
surprise to me that whatever employees cut down the tree didn't leave those
logs there for any length of time.
Now a box, however, placed under a pile of logs sitting out in an already
very messy forest preserve would have stood a chance of surviving. But one
look around this park would tell a placer that nope, this ain't gonna be a
good place to plant a box.
That's also something to look for in planting boxes in cemeteries. Some
cemeteries have property that they keep immaculate around the
headstones/tombstones, but they often have some surrounding woods that
appears to have been neglected for the past hundred years or so, making
those woods a much better place to consider for a letterbox than someplace
around the tombstones themselves.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Angela/Xeen
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:49 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] in response to planting boxes...
I noticed that somebody asked about this.
I haven't planted any boxes, but I've found a lot, and found a lot to be
missing. So I may not have room to talk, but I have room to bitch :)
The missing ones were in STUPID places. (we could also blame whoever
found it last, that perhaps they left it in the open, I've heard of this
happening).
One box was supposed to be under a pile of rocks under a bridge, up
against a wall that was supporting the bridge.
Okay, this wouldn't be so bad if it was just a little itty bitty foot
bridge. But this was a covered bridge, with TONS of partying room
underneath. It looked like it got some graffiti action and someone had
used some rocks to build a fire. The place we guessed where it was was
just against a nice handy dandy wall for leaning up against/sleeping
next to. It was relatively clean, nothing in the way. It looked rather
cozy actually. Having a pile of rocks right against the wall with no
other rocks along that whole wall? Good gourds, man! Its our guess that
whoever built that fire found the box.
Now, a more LOGICAL place to hide the box under that bridge was actually
a little further river side. There was another wall supporting the
bridge, with a TON of big, heavy river rocks piled all around one side
of it and the other side was teaming with blackberry bushes and there
was a small pile of rocks there and a couple others scattered about.
There was a few -very- good places to hide a small box where it wouldn't
have been found by accident.
Now to be fair, maybe that's where it -might- have been hidden
(sometimes clues suck horribly!) and the last placer didn't hide it
well. I can't get too upset at the Planter because I wasn't there.
Just be logical about where you hide your boxes! Don't put them
somewhere that a cleanup/maintenance person can get them by accident.
Don't make anything look out of place. If you go box hunting and you
have found several boxes to be missing, ask yourself WHY are they
missing? Just because its in a high foot-traffic area doesn't mean its
poorly hidden.
And after you've been boxing for a bit, you should be able to get a feel
for where a box is. It -can- mean that it was poorly hidden, but it can
also mean that you're At One with the Box and you're used to the feel of
hidey holes... if that makes sense :)
That's all I can think of off hand. I tend to be too wordy sometimes
and don't actually get around to saying everything I want to because
then it ends up really long like this :-p
If you want to hear about the other boxes we've found to be missing,
just let me know. I'll explain the details behind them as much as I
can, just so you can get an idea. I could also go into details of some
well planted boxes :)
-Xeen
http://www.resirem.com/
http://www.resirem.com/letterboxing (was going to put planting tips here
sometime this week)
Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [LbNA] in response to planting boxes...
From: Debra Farrell (debrafarrell1@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2007-09-18 04:54:09 UTC-07:00
This all makes sense. When we were planting our boxes we rejected a number of potential hiding places for the very reasons you describe. They were too public, the area too well manacured and attended, and too much risk of someone cleaning up the hiding spot and finding the box.
Finding a really good location to plant the box is a lot of fun, and also challenging!
xxxxxxxx wrote:
I went looking for a box once that was in a park hidden under a pile of logs
that were there from a tree having been cut down. When I got to the park it
was immaculately groomed. Hardly even a "weed" in sight. So it was
absolutely no surprise to me that the box was missing since it wasn't a
surprise to me that whatever employees cut down the tree didn't leave those
logs there for any length of time.
Now a box, however, placed under a pile of logs sitting out in an already
very messy forest preserve would have stood a chance of surviving. But one
look around this park would tell a placer that nope, this ain't gonna be a
good place to plant a box.
That's also something to look for in planting boxes in cemeteries. Some
cemeteries have property that they keep immaculate around the
headstones/tombstones, but they often have some surrounding woods that
appears to have been neglected for the past hundred years or so, making
those woods a much better place to consider for a letterbox than someplace
around the tombstones themselves.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Angela/Xeen
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:49 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] in response to planting boxes...
I noticed that somebody asked about this.
I haven't planted any boxes, but I've found a lot, and found a lot to be
missing. So I may not have room to talk, but I have room to bitch :)
The missing ones were in STUPID places. (we could also blame whoever
found it last, that perhaps they left it in the open, I've heard of this
happening).
One box was supposed to be under a pile of rocks under a bridge, up
against a wall that was supporting the bridge.
Okay, this wouldn't be so bad if it was just a little itty bitty foot
bridge. But this was a covered bridge, with TONS of partying room
underneath. It looked like it got some graffiti action and someone had
used some rocks to build a fire. The place we guessed where it was was
just against a nice handy dandy wall for leaning up against/sleeping
next to. It was relatively clean, nothing in the way. It looked rather
cozy actually. Having a pile of rocks right against the wall with no
other rocks along that whole wall? Good gourds, man! Its our guess that
whoever built that fire found the box.
Now, a more LOGICAL place to hide the box under that bridge was actually
a little further river side. There was another wall supporting the
bridge, with a TON of big, heavy river rocks piled all around one side
of it and the other side was teaming with blackberry bushes and there
was a small pile of rocks there and a couple others scattered about.
There was a few -very- good places to hide a small box where it wouldn't
have been found by accident.
Now to be fair, maybe that's where it -might- have been hidden
(sometimes clues suck horribly!) and the last placer didn't hide it
well. I can't get too upset at the Planter because I wasn't there.
Just be logical about where you hide your boxes! Don't put them
somewhere that a cleanup/maintenance person can get them by accident.
Don't make anything look out of place. If you go box hunting and you
have found several boxes to be missing, ask yourself WHY are they
missing? Just because its in a high foot-traffic area doesn't mean its
poorly hidden.
And after you've been boxing for a bit, you should be able to get a feel
for where a box is. It -can- mean that it was poorly hidden, but it can
also mean that you're At One with the Box and you're used to the feel of
hidey holes... if that makes sense :)
That's all I can think of off hand. I tend to be too wordy sometimes
and don't actually get around to saying everything I want to because
then it ends up really long like this :-p
If you want to hear about the other boxes we've found to be missing,
just let me know. I'll explain the details behind them as much as I
can, just so you can get an idea. I could also go into details of some
well planted boxes :)
-Xeen
http://www.resirem.com/
http://www.resirem.com/letterboxing (was going to put planting tips here
sometime this week)
Yahoo! Groups Links
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under."
- Ronald Reagan
---------------------------------
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Finding a really good location to plant the box is a lot of fun, and also challenging!
xxxxxxxx
I went looking for a box once that was in a park hidden under a pile of logs
that were there from a tree having been cut down. When I got to the park it
was immaculately groomed. Hardly even a "weed" in sight. So it was
absolutely no surprise to me that the box was missing since it wasn't a
surprise to me that whatever employees cut down the tree didn't leave those
logs there for any length of time.
Now a box, however, placed under a pile of logs sitting out in an already
very messy forest preserve would have stood a chance of surviving. But one
look around this park would tell a placer that nope, this ain't gonna be a
good place to plant a box.
That's also something to look for in planting boxes in cemeteries. Some
cemeteries have property that they keep immaculate around the
headstones/tombstones, but they often have some surrounding woods that
appears to have been neglected for the past hundred years or so, making
those woods a much better place to consider for a letterbox than someplace
around the tombstones themselves.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Angela/Xeen
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:49 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LbNA] in response to planting boxes...
I noticed that somebody asked about this.
I haven't planted any boxes, but I've found a lot, and found a lot to be
missing. So I may not have room to talk, but I have room to bitch :)
The missing ones were in STUPID places. (we could also blame whoever
found it last, that perhaps they left it in the open, I've heard of this
happening).
One box was supposed to be under a pile of rocks under a bridge, up
against a wall that was supporting the bridge.
Okay, this wouldn't be so bad if it was just a little itty bitty foot
bridge. But this was a covered bridge, with TONS of partying room
underneath. It looked like it got some graffiti action and someone had
used some rocks to build a fire. The place we guessed where it was was
just against a nice handy dandy wall for leaning up against/sleeping
next to. It was relatively clean, nothing in the way. It looked rather
cozy actually. Having a pile of rocks right against the wall with no
other rocks along that whole wall? Good gourds, man! Its our guess that
whoever built that fire found the box.
Now, a more LOGICAL place to hide the box under that bridge was actually
a little further river side. There was another wall supporting the
bridge, with a TON of big, heavy river rocks piled all around one side
of it and the other side was teaming with blackberry bushes and there
was a small pile of rocks there and a couple others scattered about.
There was a few -very- good places to hide a small box where it wouldn't
have been found by accident.
Now to be fair, maybe that's where it -might- have been hidden
(sometimes clues suck horribly!) and the last placer didn't hide it
well. I can't get too upset at the Planter because I wasn't there.
Just be logical about where you hide your boxes! Don't put them
somewhere that a cleanup/maintenance person can get them by accident.
Don't make anything look out of place. If you go box hunting and you
have found several boxes to be missing, ask yourself WHY are they
missing? Just because its in a high foot-traffic area doesn't mean its
poorly hidden.
And after you've been boxing for a bit, you should be able to get a feel
for where a box is. It -can- mean that it was poorly hidden, but it can
also mean that you're At One with the Box and you're used to the feel of
hidey holes... if that makes sense :)
That's all I can think of off hand. I tend to be too wordy sometimes
and don't actually get around to saying everything I want to because
then it ends up really long like this :-p
If you want to hear about the other boxes we've found to be missing,
just let me know. I'll explain the details behind them as much as I
can, just so you can get an idea. I could also go into details of some
well planted boxes :)
-Xeen
http://www.resirem.com/
http://www.resirem.com/letterboxing (was going to put planting tips here
sometime this week)
Yahoo! Groups Links
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under."
- Ronald Reagan
---------------------------------
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: midlandtrailblazer (shadowrose@minister.com) |
Date: 2007-09-18 17:06:05 UTC
as far as what makes a poor quality box, that is going to vary from
person to person and it comes down to personal preference.
store-bought stamps are somewhat disappointing, but i will look for a
box regardless of what kind of stamp it has, if i'm in the area. i
like the challenge of the hunt.
a poorly planted box is basically one that is poorly hid and in a high-
traffic area. you can plant boxes in high tourist areas but hide them
a little away from the beaten path. i have found some that were very
poorly hidden, and one has recently gone missing. i expect another
one, planted within the last couple of weeks, to go missing soon too
because it is an extremely poor location -- will be seen easily by
muggles.
when we hide boxes, we try to chose places that are a bit out of the
way, but not difficult to get to. we also try to plant them out of
sight of roads, houses, gift shops, parking lots, etc. so there is
less chance of someone finding them being seen.
person to person and it comes down to personal preference.
store-bought stamps are somewhat disappointing, but i will look for a
box regardless of what kind of stamp it has, if i'm in the area. i
like the challenge of the hunt.
a poorly planted box is basically one that is poorly hid and in a high-
traffic area. you can plant boxes in high tourist areas but hide them
a little away from the beaten path. i have found some that were very
poorly hidden, and one has recently gone missing. i expect another
one, planted within the last couple of weeks, to go missing soon too
because it is an extremely poor location -- will be seen easily by
muggles.
when we hide boxes, we try to chose places that are a bit out of the
way, but not difficult to get to. we also try to plant them out of
sight of roads, houses, gift shops, parking lots, etc. so there is
less chance of someone finding them being seen.
Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: alwayschaos (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2007-09-18 20:19:12 UTC
Might be best to wait until you have room to talk and save the
bitching for a bit.
I know you are excited, being new to this hobby and only boxing since
the 7th, but being new, don't you think you perhaps should tame down
the "room to bitch" a bit? Plant a few, maintain them for at least a
couple of months, and perhaps you'd have a better opinion of the
boxers who have taken thier time to provide you with something to find
and you'll understand why some people do the things they do..
Just a thought.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Angela/Xeen wrote:
>
> I noticed that somebody asked about this.
>
> I haven't planted any boxes, but I've found a lot, and found a lot
to be
> missing. So I may not have room to talk, but I have room to bitch :)
>
bitching for a bit.
I know you are excited, being new to this hobby and only boxing since
the 7th, but being new, don't you think you perhaps should tame down
the "room to bitch" a bit? Plant a few, maintain them for at least a
couple of months, and perhaps you'd have a better opinion of the
boxers who have taken thier time to provide you with something to find
and you'll understand why some people do the things they do..
Just a thought.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Angela/Xeen
>
> I noticed that somebody asked about this.
>
> I haven't planted any boxes, but I've found a lot, and found a lot
to be
> missing. So I may not have room to talk, but I have room to bitch :)
>
Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: Angela/Xeen (angela@resirem.com) |
Date: 2007-09-18 14:01:19 UTC-07:00
I -do- have room to bitch when people plant boxes in non-logical places
or finders don't hide them well.
-Xeen
alwayschaos wrote:
> Might be best to wait until you have room to talk and save the
> bitching for a bit.
>
> I know you are excited, being new to this hobby and only boxing since
> the 7th, but being new, don't you think you perhaps should tame down
> the "room to bitch" a bit? Plant a few, maintain them for at least a
> couple of months, and perhaps you'd have a better opinion of the
> boxers who have taken thier time to provide you with something to find
> and you'll understand why some people do the things they do..
>
> Just a thought.
>
>
>
>
>
>
or finders don't hide them well.
-Xeen
alwayschaos wrote:
> Might be best to wait until you have room to talk and save the
> bitching for a bit.
>
> I know you are excited, being new to this hobby and only boxing since
> the 7th, but being new, don't you think you perhaps should tame down
> the "room to bitch" a bit? Plant a few, maintain them for at least a
> couple of months, and perhaps you'd have a better opinion of the
> boxers who have taken thier time to provide you with something to find
> and you'll understand why some people do the things they do..
>
> Just a thought.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: Angela/Xeen (angela@resirem.com) |
Date: 2007-09-18 14:48:39 UTC-07:00
I have felt almost under attack here since I joined (and I mean that in
a very loose sense). If I'm coming across sounding like an ungrateful
newbie that can't appreciate this outdoor sport, let me assure you that
that is not the actual case. I'm trying to have fun, just like everyone
else. I have fun even when there is no box. And... maybe I'm
misreading these 'attacks' (sorry, I just can't think of a better word
for that, its not the right one but its the best for now).
If this is a group that doesn't like some mentions of "Dangit, the box
wasn't there" and "I wish that was hidden better!" or "It would have
been nice if somebody told me it was missing..." then maybe I should
leave this particulars group and find a more light-hearted one. I don't
see whats so wrong with mentioning these things. And missing boxes are
not a big deal anyway.
So yeah, I just want to make things cool here. Debate or not, it is my
opinion and we don't have to argue about it. Its far from being a big
deal. Its like someone sneering at me for asking someone to replace the
empty toilet paper roll with a fresh roll. Its courtesy, last time I
checked.
-Xeen
Randy Hall wrote:
>> I -do- have room to bitch when people plant boxes in
>>
> > non-logical places or finders don't hide them well.
>
> That's a matter of debate (and believe me, I've been around
> long enough to know we're about to get that debate); my
> suggestion is to bitch privately to those you feel you have
> a grievance against, and not clutter my airwaves with said
> bitching.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>
a very loose sense). If I'm coming across sounding like an ungrateful
newbie that can't appreciate this outdoor sport, let me assure you that
that is not the actual case. I'm trying to have fun, just like everyone
else. I have fun even when there is no box. And... maybe I'm
misreading these 'attacks' (sorry, I just can't think of a better word
for that, its not the right one but its the best for now).
If this is a group that doesn't like some mentions of "Dangit, the box
wasn't there" and "I wish that was hidden better!" or "It would have
been nice if somebody told me it was missing..." then maybe I should
leave this particulars group and find a more light-hearted one. I don't
see whats so wrong with mentioning these things. And missing boxes are
not a big deal anyway.
So yeah, I just want to make things cool here. Debate or not, it is my
opinion and we don't have to argue about it. Its far from being a big
deal. Its like someone sneering at me for asking someone to replace the
empty toilet paper roll with a fresh roll. Its courtesy, last time I
checked.
-Xeen
Randy Hall wrote:
>> I -do- have room to bitch when people plant boxes in
>>
> > non-logical places or finders don't hide them well.
>
> That's a matter of debate (and believe me, I've been around
> long enough to know we're about to get that debate); my
> suggestion is to bitch privately to those you feel you have
> a grievance against, and not clutter my airwaves with said
> bitching.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>
RE: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: RIFamily (RIFamily@cox.net) |
Date: 2007-09-18 18:10:02 UTC-04:00
Xeen, you may want to join the newboxers group. It may be more appropriate
for you. And it tends to be a little more flame resistant.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newboxers/
RIFamily
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for you. And it tends to be a little more flame resistant.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newboxers/
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Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: Gary & Elizabeth Anderson (garyliza@arkwest.com) |
Date: 2007-09-18 17:16:52 UTC-05:00
At 04:48 PM 9/18/2007, you wrote:
> And... maybe I'm
>misreading these 'attacks' (sorry, I just can't think of a better word
>for that, its not the right one but its the best for now).
Hey, Xeen,,, Gary here,,,
I'm not "attacking", just trying to be helpful. You stated "attack"
wasn't the right word,,, The word I've usually heard on forums, when
someone feels that others are "attacking" them is "flames". (OR,
even if they ARE "attacking" them :-) ) You can get flames at
times, and you can get flowers. Not every time someone has a
different opinion and maybe expresses it bluntly (or maybe not so
bluntly) is considered "flames". Anyway, you said you couldn't think
of the right word, and I thought I'd pass along the one I have always heard.
Gary
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> And... maybe I'm
>misreading these 'attacks' (sorry, I just can't think of a better word
>for that, its not the right one but its the best for now).
Hey, Xeen,,, Gary here,,,
I'm not "attacking", just trying to be helpful. You stated "attack"
wasn't the right word,,, The word I've usually heard on forums, when
someone feels that others are "attacking" them is "flames". (OR,
even if they ARE "attacking" them :-) ) You can get flames at
times, and you can get flowers. Not every time someone has a
different opinion and maybe expresses it bluntly (or maybe not so
bluntly) is considered "flames". Anyway, you said you couldn't think
of the right word, and I thought I'd pass along the one I have always heard.
Gary
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Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) |
Date: 2007-09-18 17:22:09 UTC-05:00
> I -do- have room to bitch when people plant boxes in
> non-logical places or finders don't hide them well.
That's a matter of debate (and believe me, I've been around
long enough to know we're about to get that debate); my
suggestion is to bitch privately to those you feel you have
a grievance against, and not clutter my airwaves with said
bitching.
Cheers
Randy
RE: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: xxxxxxxx (BrighidFarm@comcast.net) |
Date: 2007-09-18 17:52:15 UTC-05:00
This can be a high flame list -- lots of asbestos panties needed if you
don't want to feel burned.
The thing is..........as you said........it's a fact of life that boxes are
going to go missing and that boxes, particularly by newer folks (since
there's a learning curve)are going to be poorly planted at times. If
everyone came on here and complained about it.....yuck!
Someone else mentioned the newboxers list -- that list is generally a lot
more tolerant I think. And you also might want to check yahoogroups and see
if there's a regional group encompassing your area -- those are generally a
bit more tolerant.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Angela/Xeen
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:49 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
I have felt almost under attack here since I joined (and I mean that in
a very loose sense). If I'm coming across sounding like an ungrateful
newbie that can't appreciate this outdoor sport, let me assure you that
that is not the actual case. I'm trying to have fun, just like everyone
else. I have fun even when there is no box. And... maybe I'm
misreading these 'attacks' (sorry, I just can't think of a better word
for that, its not the right one but its the best for now).
If this is a group that doesn't like some mentions of "Dangit, the box
wasn't there" and "I wish that was hidden better!" or "It would have
been nice if somebody told me it was missing..." then maybe I should
leave this particulars group and find a more light-hearted one. I don't
see whats so wrong with mentioning these things. And missing boxes are
not a big deal anyway.
So yeah, I just want to make things cool here. Debate or not, it is my
opinion and we don't have to argue about it. Its far from being a big
deal. Its like someone sneering at me for asking someone to replace the
empty toilet paper roll with a fresh roll. Its courtesy, last time I
checked.
-Xeen
Randy Hall wrote:
>> I -do- have room to bitch when people plant boxes in
>>
> > non-logical places or finders don't hide them well.
>
> That's a matter of debate (and believe me, I've been around
> long enough to know we're about to get that debate); my
> suggestion is to bitch privately to those you feel you have
> a grievance against, and not clutter my airwaves with said
> bitching.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>
Yahoo! Groups Links
don't want to feel burned.
The thing is..........as you said........it's a fact of life that boxes are
going to go missing and that boxes, particularly by newer folks (since
there's a learning curve)are going to be poorly planted at times. If
everyone came on here and complained about it.....yuck!
Someone else mentioned the newboxers list -- that list is generally a lot
more tolerant I think. And you also might want to check yahoogroups and see
if there's a regional group encompassing your area -- those are generally a
bit more tolerant.
~~ Mosey ~~
-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Angela/Xeen
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 4:49 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
I have felt almost under attack here since I joined (and I mean that in
a very loose sense). If I'm coming across sounding like an ungrateful
newbie that can't appreciate this outdoor sport, let me assure you that
that is not the actual case. I'm trying to have fun, just like everyone
else. I have fun even when there is no box. And... maybe I'm
misreading these 'attacks' (sorry, I just can't think of a better word
for that, its not the right one but its the best for now).
If this is a group that doesn't like some mentions of "Dangit, the box
wasn't there" and "I wish that was hidden better!" or "It would have
been nice if somebody told me it was missing..." then maybe I should
leave this particulars group and find a more light-hearted one. I don't
see whats so wrong with mentioning these things. And missing boxes are
not a big deal anyway.
So yeah, I just want to make things cool here. Debate or not, it is my
opinion and we don't have to argue about it. Its far from being a big
deal. Its like someone sneering at me for asking someone to replace the
empty toilet paper roll with a fresh roll. Its courtesy, last time I
checked.
-Xeen
Randy Hall wrote:
>> I -do- have room to bitch when people plant boxes in
>>
> > non-logical places or finders don't hide them well.
>
> That's a matter of debate (and believe me, I've been around
> long enough to know we're about to get that debate); my
> suggestion is to bitch privately to those you feel you have
> a grievance against, and not clutter my airwaves with said
> bitching.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>
Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) |
Date: 2007-09-18 18:00:32 UTC-05:00
> And... maybe I'm misreading these 'attacks'
I assure you my post (which you quoted, for some reason)
wasn't an attack.
Cheers
Randy
PS, this isn't an attack either
Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: tony pecchia (anthony.pecchia@cox.net) |
Date: 2007-09-18 19:01:31 UTC-04:00
In the eight months or so I've been here, there's an argument every other months or so. I've come to notice (not just here) whenever you have an activity/message board/mail list that's unregulated, you're going to have people who criticize/attack others just because they said something contrary to what they feel should be right.
I could go on about this topic but for the sake of brevity, I'll leave it alone (for now). Only other thing to say is unfortunately, in this age of the internet and free opinions, it's something you have to get used to.
Tony
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I could go on about this topic but for the sake of brevity, I'll leave it alone (for now). Only other thing to say is unfortunately, in this age of the internet and free opinions, it's something you have to get used to.
Tony
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Re: [LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: R (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) |
Date: 2007-09-18 19:55:31 UTC-04:00
It's been surprisingly tame when it comes flaming. I've seen and been the recipient of much worse. But this is definitely not a list for the faint of heart.
For a letterboxing database that is concerned about abandoned boxes see Atlas Quest http://www.atlasquest.com
In April 2006, Atlas Quest came up with an 'abandoned box' policy....
"For all boxes that don't have an owner who has logged into AQ for one full year, [the webmaster is] going to set those boxes up as being available for adoption. Less than 1% of the boxes on AQ fit this description, and as long as you log in once a year, you're boxes won't go up for adoption. This is about people who've stopped letterboxing altogether--or at least left clues on AQ that they no longer maintain." You can see more of the message at:
http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.html?gMsgId=20557
For more genteel discussion boards I recommend the Atlas Quest boards: http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/categories.html and the Newboxers yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newboxers/
Angela/Xeen wrote: I have felt almost under attack here since I joined (and I mean that in
a very loose sense). If I'm coming across sounding like an ungrateful
newbie that can't appreciate this outdoor sport, let me assure you that
that is not the actual case. I'm trying to have fun, just like everyone
else. I have fun even when there is no box. And... maybe I'm
misreading these 'attacks' (sorry, I just can't think of a better word
for that, its not the right one but its the best for now).
If this is a group that doesn't like some mentions of "Dangit, the box
wasn't there" and "I wish that was hidden better!" or "It would have
been nice if somebody told me it was missing..." then maybe I should
leave this particulars group and find a more light-hearted one. I don't
see whats so wrong with mentioning these things. And missing boxes are
not a big deal anyway.
So yeah, I just want to make things cool here. Debate or not, it is my
opinion and we don't have to argue about it. Its far from being a big
deal. Its like someone sneering at me for asking someone to replace the
empty toilet paper roll with a fresh roll. Its courtesy, last time I
checked.
-Xeen
Randy Hall wrote:
>> I -do- have room to bitch when people plant boxes in
>>
> > non-logical places or finders don't hide them well.
>
> That's a matter of debate (and believe me, I've been around
> long enough to know we're about to get that debate); my
> suggestion is to bitch privately to those you feel you have
> a grievance against, and not clutter my airwaves with said
> bitching.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>
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For a letterboxing database that is concerned about abandoned boxes see Atlas Quest http://www.atlasquest.com
In April 2006, Atlas Quest came up with an 'abandoned box' policy....
"For all boxes that don't have an owner who has logged into AQ for one full year, [the webmaster is] going to set those boxes up as being available for adoption. Less than 1% of the boxes on AQ fit this description, and as long as you log in once a year, you're boxes won't go up for adoption. This is about people who've stopped letterboxing altogether--or at least left clues on AQ that they no longer maintain." You can see more of the message at:
http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/message.html?gMsgId=20557
For more genteel discussion boards I recommend the Atlas Quest boards: http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/categories.html and the Newboxers yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newboxers/
Angela/Xeen
a very loose sense). If I'm coming across sounding like an ungrateful
newbie that can't appreciate this outdoor sport, let me assure you that
that is not the actual case. I'm trying to have fun, just like everyone
else. I have fun even when there is no box. And... maybe I'm
misreading these 'attacks' (sorry, I just can't think of a better word
for that, its not the right one but its the best for now).
If this is a group that doesn't like some mentions of "Dangit, the box
wasn't there" and "I wish that was hidden better!" or "It would have
been nice if somebody told me it was missing..." then maybe I should
leave this particulars group and find a more light-hearted one. I don't
see whats so wrong with mentioning these things. And missing boxes are
not a big deal anyway.
So yeah, I just want to make things cool here. Debate or not, it is my
opinion and we don't have to argue about it. Its far from being a big
deal. Its like someone sneering at me for asking someone to replace the
empty toilet paper roll with a fresh roll. Its courtesy, last time I
checked.
-Xeen
Randy Hall wrote:
>> I -do- have room to bitch when people plant boxes in
>>
> > non-logical places or finders don't hide them well.
>
> That's a matter of debate (and believe me, I've been around
> long enough to know we're about to get that debate); my
> suggestion is to bitch privately to those you feel you have
> a grievance against, and not clutter my airwaves with said
> bitching.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>
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[LbNA] Re: in response to planting boxes...
From: alwayschaos (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2007-09-19 01:57:10 UTC
My post was not an attack against you, rather a suggestion that you
might want to try both sides of the coin- the planting in addition
to the finding- before coming to any conclusions about planting 9see
title of post). While both are intregral, they often require
somewhat different skill sets and there's no reason, this early in
your game, to ostracize yourself and those planters of the boxes
you've already found, or not, by complaining about them publically.
Complaining does make you come across as an ungrateful newbie even
though you intend the message to be otherwise. You feel you are
under attack, how must the planters of those boxes must feel when
someone so new is so ready to take them to the cleaners? There is
room for everybody- even those you might think are crappy placers
and those someone else might think are crappy carvers.
I would recommend the newboxers list, not because there is less
flaming there, but it's a great place to learn why some things are
done the way they are and ideas on how to improve your own boxing
and to share ideas to help others see things perhaps differently.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Angela/Xeen wrote:
>
> I have felt almost under attack here since I joined (and I mean
that in > a very loose sense). If I'm coming across sounding like
an ungrateful > newbie that can't appreciate this outdoor sport, let
me assure you that > that is not the actual case.
might want to try both sides of the coin- the planting in addition
to the finding- before coming to any conclusions about planting 9see
title of post). While both are intregral, they often require
somewhat different skill sets and there's no reason, this early in
your game, to ostracize yourself and those planters of the boxes
you've already found, or not, by complaining about them publically.
Complaining does make you come across as an ungrateful newbie even
though you intend the message to be otherwise. You feel you are
under attack, how must the planters of those boxes must feel when
someone so new is so ready to take them to the cleaners? There is
room for everybody- even those you might think are crappy placers
and those someone else might think are crappy carvers.
I would recommend the newboxers list, not because there is less
flaming there, but it's a great place to learn why some things are
done the way they are and ideas on how to improve your own boxing
and to share ideas to help others see things perhaps differently.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Angela/Xeen
>
> I have felt almost under attack here since I joined (and I mean
that in > a very loose sense). If I'm coming across sounding like
an ungrateful > newbie that can't appreciate this outdoor sport, let
me assure you that > that is not the actual case.